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작성일	2011-06-18 08:46:24 KST	조회	783
제목	이번 패치 왜 이렇게 됐나? - 해답 발견 100%

He would be the definition of a hard carry, when it comes to laning with this bad boy, it fails completely and utterly, last hitting between 4 heroes in a lane? No orbs for you.
보팔이 컨 힘들다는 소리.. 막타 먹기 힘들다는 소리.. 특히 4이서 한타할때 구슬획득 불가 -_-;;

His only real area of specialty is his ability to carry, middle lane (supposed to be the 1v1 lane) gives him ample deny and last hit opportunity, and wont leave him underfed/out of orbs from being in the lane with 3 heroes contending to get last hits.
보팔이는 1대1 상황에서라야만 구슬 모으지, 상대 히어로 3씩 라인타면 구슬 모으게 두지를 않음.

He has no real definition as to what kind of hero he is, he has two abilities that scale with STR attribute, and 2 that scale with agility, its clear however that this guy cannot be a tank, his squishyness is incredible for an agi hero that needs to rely on farming.
That being said a DPS build on Vorpal also fails as there are many other heroes around that do far more damage and faster than him, his use in that role fails utterly.
보팔인 힘캐인지 민캐인지 난 몰르지만, 분명히 탱커는 할수 없고 딜링 하려면 파밍을 해야함.

딴 캐들은 얘보다 뎀지 쎄고, 빠르고 한대 얜 팀내에서 역할이 먼가요?

His abilities nerfed way down (which needed to happen combination of Q and ULTI was very damaging easy kill) hes now rather...weak.
상향 됐는데 먼 소린지.. 옛보전에 비해선지.. 난 모름 암튼 보팔 너프 됐다는 소리..

Hes still playable, but his only option is to carry, he does not scale very well for late game, his stats are low, his low base damage sucks his orbs only do 1% of str in damage and thats barely even noticeable.
아직 플레이 할만은 하지만, 딴애들보다 좋은건 아님, 스탯도 낮고, 구슬 뎀지는 겨우 Str 1%...

Now for the debate.
자 토론해 봅시다
Make him a STR hero again, alot of people were raging about him being OP, so lets try to balance him out without the rage.
보팔이 다시 힘캐 된다면, 많은 사람들이 사기캐라고 열내겠지? 열내지 말고 발란스 잡아봅시다.

Orbs Change to 2% scales with str thats only 40 damage at 2000STR, and to get that with his current stats (at level 25 his base str is only 894) you would need at least 3 organics to get to that point. Thats a steep investment, making a total of two abilities that scale with str, another possible change could be that you change it to 3% but scale with agi.
Scaling alot of agility with a STR hero to get the benefit.
구슬 뎀지 Str vs agi 어디로 넣는게 좋은가? 구찬아서... 그런 내용 -_-;; 근데 지금 뎀지는 낮아서 구리다는 반응

Fine as is, scales with agility so as a STR hero, you would have to buy the items to scale it more. only 7% scale so is rather weak late game also.

Dark Matter reflect ability, may become to strong if he becomes a STR hero, so to stop the raging have a slight decrease to attack speed per level gained in this ability, lets say 3% per level, so at level 4 you reflect 22% and you attack 12% slower. (To mitigate you would have to get at least 300agility)
보팔 힘캐 되면 이스킬 (먼지 모름..보팔 안해봐서 -_-;;) 좋아질꺼라는거

Vorpal Javelin
Weak pushing stun/trap, great for discouraging enemy heroes, possibly maybe catching up with a fleeing hero, the low damage prevents the last hit possibility (most of the time)
Fine as is.

이스킬.. 뎀지 구려.. 그리고 막타 넣기 넘 힘듬.

Vorpal Catastrophe
Does very weak damage for an ulti, however combined with Dark Surge does a semi-decent DPS, scales poorly for late game, may scale better if vorpal was a STR hero.
보팔은 궁 뎀지가 아주 구림, 힘캐되면 해결 됨.

If you are reading this without playing Vorpal, please leave now and play him.
보팔 플레이 안해본 넘들은 짜지고 해보고 말하셈.

Arguements to change him to a STR hero, instead of agility.
논쟁이 힘캐냐 민캐냐고 바꼈넴.

His Dark surge is an initiation tool, agility heroes are way too squishy to initiate properly, building a mixed build makes him fail late game, and as said earlier his DPS late game is just outclassed by nearly all other agility/str dps/carry builds.

이넘은 힘캐해야 하는데 민캐로 할려니 실패한겨.. 구림 딴 히어로들 키우는 거보다...

His Dark Matter is another survival tool, obviously this guy was meant to tank, as an agility hero this hero does not gain the proper benefits from it. As a str may benefit properly.
이넘은 탱커여, 딜링 고자라.. 근데 민캐? 힘캐 해야함

Vorpal Javelin Initiation tool, engagement deterent, hero chasing this skill is good, however at the cost of 1 orb each, you may want to save your orbs for the Q and ulti.

이 스킬, 상대캐 쫒기는 좋지만, 한타에 구슬 하나씩은 좀.. 차라리 q 스킬이나 궁 할때 쓰지..

Vorpal Catastrophe- Initiation, DPS and deterrent, good for when you initiate will scare squishy heroes, and get an engagement to a good start.
(That being said to use Dark Surge and Vorpal Catastrophe you just used 5orbs so to continue to be effective with vorpal you would have to play very wisely.)
한타 시작할때 좋음.. 근데 구슬소비 많으니 작전 잘 짜서 써야함.

Everything points at him being a STR hero and an initiator, I do understand the level of rage that *people* were directing at him that got him over nerfed, now that his abilities and scaling has been reduced severely, he can and should be made a STR hero again, adding another str hero and initiator.
힘캐 안돼면, 보팔이 고자.

Feedback welcome, trolls will be shot, remains shot again.
피드백 날려주삼.
(Even just putting thank you for this post if you have nothing to say would be great, shows that there is alot of people who think vorpal is underpowered)

많은 사람들이 생각하기에 보팔이는 약함. -_-.. 지송 길어서 걍 대충 해석.. 다음은 댓글들~

AnddyiRaynor

Yeah the beta didn't last as long as I thought it would and I am kinda disappointed with the new hero after hearing how op he was before this big nerf , right now Vorpral is a big teddy bear that throws dung at people (his attacks), I'd really like to see him do more dmg. This is only my opinion though I haven't seen anyone do good with him as of yet...
베타땐 좋았는데 신캐로 나온 보팔 너프돼서 나와서 구림. 이넘으로 잘하는 사람 본적이 없음.

Only uses I can see with vorpral is as a tank hero much like micro is, with his tele that brings his enemies with him. I dunno but he works better as a tank than an agi hero.

걍 이넘은 탱커밖엔 없음, 근데 딴 민캐보다 나은 탱커인지도 의문.

RainDevour

Your argument is valid, and I've only seen one game where as Vorpal went positive after the game ended. I have experimented with Vorpal and I see no viable strategies or why he would have a huge impact in the game. He does require a lot of skill (and beacons) to use. Almost every aspect of him indicates he would be a great Strength hero. Even the unit model, an Archon as an AGI hero? Heck, even the unit portrait portrays he would be better as a Strength hero.
보팔이가 킬데수 플러스로 간건 단 한번밖에 못봄. 이넘은 전략이 없음.힘캐전환 필수~

Now, don't disregard my post. I know I never was in the beta, so I wouldn't be able to see his true potential, but I feel this character is more difficult to get a kill with than late game V3.0 Dustin.Brawler.
히어로 죽이기 걍 힘듬 보팔이는
BTW: I realized a trend that singles out noticeable underpowered heroes in all versions of 4.0

Version. 4.0: Geminus.Boros 보로스 하향

Version. 4.1: Subterran.Unix 유닉스 하향

Version. 4.2: Vorpal.Valedict 버팔이 하향.. 전 근데 보팔이 하향 머가 먼지 몰겠음.. -_-;;

colombiano

After the power we felt Vorpal had how good he was anything done to him was going to be a major nerf. yea he is too spread out to become something very useful. I'm sure they will beef him up next update just like they did with unix. Remember you did email them about nerfing him and you did cause the rage by bloating about how good he was <3

이넘 너프돼기 전에는 좋았음.

Gibble

It's funny how much my record hates me for trying to be good with this character. I am definitely seconding his feel as a strength character over an agility-based one.
이넘땜에 내 기록 빙신됨. 이넘은 힘캐라야 함...

애고.. 댓글이 50개 이상이라... 이상 그만 쓸께여.. 참고로 이건 1 달, 3 주전에 써진 글임담..

이거 말고도 많은데.. 난중에 올릴께요~

이거 참 씁쓸하구만...

마지막으로 북미섭이 아시아 섭보다 실력 많이 딸리는 건 맞음..

이거 소티스 방송 보고, 북미섭에서 겜 해보면, 스타일이 많이 틀림돠~ 걔네는 물약 써도 그렇게 무한정 아낌없이 쓰진 않아요.. 돈 모아서 아템들 사는 스타일.. 그래서 한국분들이 유난히 높은 킬수 가지신 분들이 많습니다. 저도 2000 킬할때 600 정도 죽었었고요..(전 허접인데 -_-;;;)

암튼 수준차가 많이 나니.. 방법은 저희가 홈피가서 글 남기는 수밖에는 없겠네요. 밸런스 건의사항 게시판에..